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	<title>Comments on: &quot;The painful clash between gay rights and religious freedom&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: charity</title>
		<link>http://shesright.org/2006/06/22/the-painful-clash-between-gay-rights-and-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-3867</link>
		<dc:creator>charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Hardy.  The government should not be involved in marriage at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t know why people think that freedom and order are mutually exclusive.  I am all for order, including, but not limited to a strong military, strict immigration policy and tough penalties for criminals.  I just think that the government needs to butt out of personal affairs.  Saying that the government should not be able to control what a religion believes is not the same as saying I want no government at all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For crying out loud, does anyone even read the Constitution anymore??  Most people seem to think that the First Amendment says only says that we have freedom of speech (as long as it is PC approved by the liberal intelligentsia), the corporate controlled newspapers have to say what you want them to, and every public appearance by a government official has to be accompanied by a protest.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have some news.  It is supposed to protect us from government imposed religion and from the government prohibiting certain religious beliefs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is much about the Catholic Church that I disagree with, but they have the right to believe what they want.  Once the government starts down this path, nothing good will come of it.  The worst part is that the legislature in Massachusetts called it a political stunt when Gov. Romney wanted to introduce a bill that would allow for religious exemption.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes, in the year 2006, upholding the Constitution is considered a political stunt.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hear that rumbling?  That’s the sound of the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves.  This country is screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Hardy.  The government should not be involved in marriage at all.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why people think that freedom and order are mutually exclusive.  I am all for order, including, but not limited to a strong military, strict immigration policy and tough penalties for criminals.  I just think that the government needs to butt out of personal affairs.  Saying that the government should not be able to control what a religion believes is not the same as saying I want no government at all.</p>
<p>For crying out loud, does anyone even read the Constitution anymore??  Most people seem to think that the First Amendment says only says that we have freedom of speech (as long as it is PC approved by the liberal intelligentsia), the corporate controlled newspapers have to say what you want them to, and every public appearance by a government official has to be accompanied by a protest.</p>
<p>I have some news.  It is supposed to protect us from government imposed religion and from the government prohibiting certain religious beliefs.</p>
<p>There is much about the Catholic Church that I disagree with, but they have the right to believe what they want.  Once the government starts down this path, nothing good will come of it.  The worst part is that the legislature in Massachusetts called it a political stunt when Gov. Romney wanted to introduce a bill that would allow for religious exemption.</p>
<p>Yes, in the year 2006, upholding the Constitution is considered a political stunt.</p>
<p>Hear that rumbling?  That’s the sound of the Founding Fathers rolling over in their graves.  This country is screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Haik Bedrosian</title>
		<link>http://shesright.org/2006/06/22/the-painful-clash-between-gay-rights-and-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-3866</link>
		<dc:creator>Haik Bedrosian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Damn the Government. Freedom before order.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ll go one further.  Damn the government.  Freedom before security, even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Damn the Government. Freedom before order.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go one further.  Damn the government.  Freedom before security, even.</p>
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		<title>By: tirade25</title>
		<link>http://shesright.org/2006/06/22/the-painful-clash-between-gay-rights-and-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>tirade25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn the Government.  Freedom before order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn the Government.  Freedom before order.</p>
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		<title>By: Hardy Machia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardy Machia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have pictures of the reincarnation of the flying spaghetti monster soon. We were planting asparagus, when we discovered that the FSM has been living among us for eons. ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Gay marriage debate really needs to be about what role the government should in marriage in the first place. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Marriage is a very personal commitment between people. We need to get the government out of personal affairs. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem that gay marriage advocates have is that the law treats same sex couples who want to commit to spending their lives together differently than opposite sex couples. They are right, the law shouldn&#039;t discriminate. But, what both sides need to do is compromise toward greater liberty instead of fight. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The greater liberty compromise is to get government out of the marriage business all together. Let couples create their own marriage contracts. There could be Catholic, Jewish, Jehovah, FSM, UU, and generic marriage contracts that couples could download, print out, sign, and have notarized as to all aspects of their marriage. This would mean the people entering the contract would exactly what they are getting into....now marriage law is different in all 50 states...in Vermont there is over 60 pages worth of statutes related to married couple, which the legislature could change on any whim.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My wife and I choose to create our own marriage contract. We kept the government and organized religion out of it. This means that we can&#039;t take part in any marriage tax break the IRS gives out, but we think the positives of having a more personalized and specific contract far out weigh the small carrots that politicians try to attach to marriage law.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is one role for government in marriage contracts, which is a divorce. Divorce is a contract termination where the parties disagree about the termination clause of the marriage contract. Since the contract would spell out the termination clause, which would include what happens to the children if the contract is ended, there would be fewer people in family court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have pictures of the reincarnation of the flying spaghetti monster soon. We were planting asparagus, when we discovered that the FSM has been living among us for eons. <img src='http://shesright.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gay marriage debate really needs to be about what role the government should in marriage in the first place. </p>
<p>Marriage is a very personal commitment between people. We need to get the government out of personal affairs. </p>
<p>The problem that gay marriage advocates have is that the law treats same sex couples who want to commit to spending their lives together differently than opposite sex couples. They are right, the law shouldn&#8217;t discriminate. But, what both sides need to do is compromise toward greater liberty instead of fight. </p>
<p>The greater liberty compromise is to get government out of the marriage business all together. Let couples create their own marriage contracts. There could be Catholic, Jewish, Jehovah, FSM, UU, and generic marriage contracts that couples could download, print out, sign, and have notarized as to all aspects of their marriage. This would mean the people entering the contract would exactly what they are getting into&#8230;.now marriage law is different in all 50 states&#8230;in Vermont there is over 60 pages worth of statutes related to married couple, which the legislature could change on any whim.</p>
<p>My wife and I choose to create our own marriage contract. We kept the government and organized religion out of it. This means that we can&#8217;t take part in any marriage tax break the IRS gives out, but we think the positives of having a more personalized and specific contract far out weigh the small carrots that politicians try to attach to marriage law.</p>
<p>There is one role for government in marriage contracts, which is a divorce. Divorce is a contract termination where the parties disagree about the termination clause of the marriage contract. Since the contract would spell out the termination clause, which would include what happens to the children if the contract is ended, there would be fewer people in family court.</p>
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		<title>By: charity</title>
		<link>http://shesright.org/2006/06/22/the-painful-clash-between-gay-rights-and-religious-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-3863</link>
		<dc:creator>charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, I am quite familiar with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  I used to debate creation and evolution on-line before I got into doing this blog.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There was no lack of consideration of anything on my part.  Being raised with no religious guidance, I have considered many, many spiritual beliefs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, this is not about my religious beliefs.  This is about freedom.  If the United States of America is not a safe place to practice your religion open and freely, then we are in a lot of trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, I am quite familiar with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  I used to debate creation and evolution on-line before I got into doing this blog.</p>
<p>There was no lack of consideration of anything on my part.  Being raised with no religious guidance, I have considered many, many spiritual beliefs.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is not about my religious beliefs.  This is about freedom.  If the United States of America is not a safe place to practice your religion open and freely, then we are in a lot of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Flying Spaghetti Monster would be disappointed at your lack of consideration of Him:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.venganza.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Flying Spaghetti Monster would be disappointed at your lack of consideration of Him:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.venganza.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.venganza.org/</a></p>
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