Comments on: The Republican Primary http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/ Someone's gotta be right around here. Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:23:06 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Charity http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-749 Charity Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:55:04 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-749 This is not about electability. It is about recognizing that I am not the only Republican and that the party belongs to everyone else, too. I cannot say that my brand of conservatism has the rights to define the GOP. That is why I like Thompson. He offers something to everyone, IMO. This is not about electability. It is about recognizing that I am not the only Republican and that the party belongs to everyone else, too. I cannot say that my brand of conservatism has the rights to define the GOP. That is why I like Thompson. He offers something to everyone, IMO.

]]> By: JD Ryan http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-748 JD Ryan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:01:16 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-748 I hope Paul runs as an indy too, it will make the ass-whupping of the GOP into an all-out massacre. I hope Paul runs as an indy too, it will make the ass-whupping of the GOP into an all-out massacre.

]]> By: JD Ryan http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-747 JD Ryan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:00:21 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-747 Did it ever occur to you that some of the "factions in the GOP' need to be given the boot if they're ever going to achieve some measure of permanent success? That as long as the Godidiots are calling the shots, the GOP will never really be mainstream? I think it's really funny that you pick a schlub like Thompson over a nutjob like Paul.. your big concern about Paul is his stance on drugs might not sit well with the authoritarians that comprise a huge element of the GOP base? At least he's being consistent. I figured you'd at least shoot for consistency over electablity, considering that neither candidate has a chance in hell. Did it ever occur to you that some of the “factions in the GOP’ need to be given the boot if they’re ever going to achieve some measure of permanent success? That as long as the Godidiots are calling the shots, the GOP will never really be mainstream?

I think it’s really funny that you pick a schlub like Thompson over a nutjob like Paul.. your big concern about Paul is his stance on drugs might not sit well with the authoritarians that comprise a huge element of the GOP base? At least he’s being consistent. I figured you’d at least shoot for consistency over electablity, considering that neither candidate has a chance in hell.

]]> By: Charity http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-746 Charity Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:13:16 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-746 JD, I didn't say he was the only "true conservative." I said he was the only candidate that offers something to each faction in the GOP. Yeah, I know that he is an actor. He also was a senator. Besides, when did being an actor exclude someone from being a Republican president? JD, I didn’t say he was the only “true conservative.” I said he was the only candidate that offers something to each faction in the GOP.

Yeah, I know that he is an actor. He also was a senator. Besides, when did being an actor exclude someone from being a Republican president?

]]> By: JD Ryan http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-745 JD Ryan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:21 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-745 Yep, the K-street corporate lobbyist hack who can barely stay awake (or keep others awake), talks about his concerns about the "Soviet Union" and somehow thinks that a refusal to answer a question about one of the most important environmental issues of our lifetime,"hands down" is somehow a plus, is the only true conservative in this race. Good thing the bar is set so low. He'll be out shortly after Duncan Hunter. Pathetic, but not surprising. What's really pathetic is you actually <i>believe</i> him. Psst, Charity, here's a little secret... <i>he's an actor.</i> Yep, the K-street corporate lobbyist hack who can barely stay awake (or keep others awake), talks about his concerns about the “Soviet Union” and somehow thinks that a refusal to answer a question about one of the most important environmental issues of our lifetime,”hands down” is somehow a plus, is the only true conservative in this race. Good thing the bar is set so low.
He’ll be out shortly after Duncan Hunter. Pathetic, but not surprising. What’s really pathetic is you actually believe him. Psst, Charity, here’s a little secret… he’s an actor.

]]> By: rayosun http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-744 rayosun Wed, 02 Jan 2008 02:48:48 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-744 "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. " & "Liberalism is, I think, resurgent. One reason is that more and more people are so painfully aware of the alternative." -- John Kenneth Galbraith -- "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." -- John Stuart Mill -- " I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party; and I do not see why honorable gentlemen should see that position as at all offensive to them, for it ensures their being always an extremely powerful party . . . There is so much dense, solid force in sheer stupidity, that any body of able men with that force pressing behind them may ensure victory in many a struggle, and many a victory the Conservative party has gained through that power." -- John Stuart Mill ( British philosopher, economist, and liberal member of Parliament for Westminster from 1865 to 68 ). See why it's so much better to be liberal than conservative at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Liberals . “The modern conservative is engaged in one of
man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. ”
&
“Liberalism is, I think, resurgent. One reason is that
more and more people are so painfully aware of the alternative.”
– John Kenneth Galbraith –

“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid,
but most stupid people are conservatives.”
– John Stuart Mill –

” I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. Suppose any party, in addition to whatever share it may possess of the ability of the community, has nearly the whole of its stupidity, that party must, by the law of its constitution, be the stupidest party; and I do not see why honorable gentlemen should see that position as at all offensive to them, for it ensures their being always an extremely powerful party . . . There is so much dense, solid force in sheer stupidity, that any body of able men with that force pressing behind them may ensure victory in many a struggle, and many a victory the Conservative party has gained through that power.”
– John Stuart Mill ( British philosopher, economist, and liberal member of Parliament for Westminster from 1865 to 68 ).
See why it’s so much better to be liberal than conservative at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Liberals .

]]> By: Charity http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-743 Charity Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:55:46 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-743 There are several outstanding black conservatives who would be great presidential candidates for the GOP. Unfortunately, Alan Keyes is not one of them. :) You know, I was wondering if Fred is on the VT ballot, too. I am not sure. There is a similar battle within the Democratic Party between the reformers and the status quo. There always will be, within both parties. There are several outstanding black conservatives who would be great presidential candidates for the GOP. Unfortunately, Alan Keyes is not one of them. :)

You know, I was wondering if Fred is on the VT ballot, too. I am not sure.

There is a similar battle within the Democratic Party between the reformers and the status quo. There always will be, within both parties.

]]> By: Mister Guy http://shesright.org/2008/01/01/the-republican-primary/comment-page-1/#comment-742 Mister Guy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:42:18 +0000 http://shesright.org/?p=236#comment-742 "Much to the chagrin of my more liberal readers, the GOP did get elected by the American people in to a majority. Dare I say that was an endorsement of their platform at the time..." Wow, we're still talking about the Contract on/with America? Most of that stuff never even got enacted into law. The GOP won back then in response to an overreach on the part of the Clintons mostly due to the backlash against their universal health care plan. It's funny now how most of the serious candidates for President talk about the need to do universal health care...more than a decade later...hmmmm... "This presidential primary is about defining the party." I would modify this slightly to say that U.S. Presidencial primaries are basically about selecting who you want to lead your party (these individuals do come with their own set of values and priorites of course). I really hate to defend "Mr. Stuffed-shirt Republican" Mitt Romney, but I don't think he was pro gay marriage and taxes during his short stint as MA Governor...those things happened because of his Democratic state legislature. He is though (as I heard "The Duke" Mike Dukakis say recently on C-SPAN) "a Fraud with a capital F". :) I recently saw another forum on C-SPAN over the holidays about how the GOP has been struggling with it's two sides...the radical reformer side (that wants to wipe out much of the New Deal and the Great Society programs) and the let's-just-get-along-and-change-things-slowly-at-the-margins-maybe side (the "big govt." Republicans). The guy who was speaking described each side much better than I just did. This struggle has been going on in the GOP for almost a century at least. What about Alan Keyes and Duncan Hunter? Can't a black man get a break in the GOP? :) Is your new buddy Fred on the ballot in VT yet? “Much to the chagrin of my more liberal readers, the GOP did get elected by the American people in to a majority. Dare I say that was an endorsement of their platform at the time…”

Wow, we’re still talking about the Contract on/with America? Most of that stuff never even got enacted into law. The GOP won back then in response to an overreach on the part of the Clintons mostly due to the backlash against their universal health care plan. It’s funny now how most of the serious candidates for President talk about the need to do universal health care…more than a decade later…hmmmm…

“This presidential primary is about defining the party.”

I would modify this slightly to say that U.S. Presidencial primaries are basically about selecting who you want to lead your party (these individuals do come with their own set of values and priorites of course).

I really hate to defend “Mr. Stuffed-shirt Republican” Mitt Romney, but I don’t think he was pro gay marriage and taxes during his short stint as MA Governor…those things happened because of his Democratic state legislature. He is though (as I heard “The Duke” Mike Dukakis say recently on C-SPAN) “a Fraud with a capital F”. :)

I recently saw another forum on C-SPAN over the holidays about how the GOP has been struggling with it’s two sides…the radical reformer side (that wants to wipe out much of the New Deal and the Great Society programs) and the let’s-just-get-along-and-change-things-slowly-at-the-margins-maybe side (the “big govt.” Republicans). The guy who was speaking described each side much better than I just did. This struggle has been going on in the GOP for almost a century at least.

What about Alan Keyes and Duncan Hunter? Can’t a black man get a break in the GOP? :) Is your new buddy Fred on the ballot in VT yet?

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