Word.

What is also gloriously funny is that you don’t understand projection!

Good stuff!

Good, since your thoughts have never been either relevant or accurate.

“or that my use and your use are fundamentally different.”

No shit Sherlock.

“You lost. I didn’t.”

Keep that projection right on coming there Billy-boy…

Yes, I must stop with the “mindless back-PEDDLING.” You ARE rich!

The fact is, MISTER GUY, the only person who has back-pedaled throughout our exchanges is you. You know that perfectly well, and if you don’t, well, you better run for your precious little ellipsis. (You know, at health clubs around America, one can find elliptical trainers to help with that.)†

Actually, nothing you do “drives” me “crazy,” (except, perhaps, that you are clearly a terrible reader). As I said, I will not fully explore what it means that you use ellipses. I don’t mind pointing out that you misunderstood how I use an ellipsis in a quote; or that my use and your use are fundamentally different. Nor will I explore how you thought my use of those fine punctuation marks was identical to yours.

MISTER GUY, allow me to let you in on a really big secret: You have lost this whole debate, too. In fact, you’ve been “done here” (your words) for a really long time. It’s now time to let it go. You lost. I didn’t.

†Talk about LOL!

STOP with the mindless back-peddling!

“However, since ‘marriage’ is malleable and elastic — according to you (et al) despite your ridiculous contradiction — then so are terms such as ‘wife,’ ‘husband,’ ‘mother,’ ‘father,’ and so on.”

Really?? When did I say that?? Oh yea, it was never.

“My husband is my wife; I am a wife, I am a husband. I, even, am female. Hurray! I can be whatever I want to be.”

Wow, this guy has truly come off the rails once & for all. Wow…

“You hated it so much you had to resort to calling me a liar”

…which you are, since you stated things that you *knew* were untrue. Thanks for proving my point Billy-boy…ugh…

“Please show me where I have, in a single non-quoted sentence (generally ellipses are used to indicate omissions in running quotations), resorted to using such punctuation marks.”

Ah, now it’s “time to change the subject, because if it stays on this topic I can’t hope to win” time! By now, we’ve ALL seen your tendency to *intentionally* misquote Obama in another thread on this very website. Even *you* can’t run away from that Billy-boy!

“You live and die by them, apparently.”

You mean when I use them interchangeably with commas…like this?? It drives you crazy, doesn’t it…too bad…lol… It’s called a writing style, not a particularly good one though.

“If you think what it means to be human is settled, you live in fantasy land.”

Is this like the alternative reality that *you* live in where math doesn’t matter?? LOL…

“And please know that repeatedly saying ‘No!’ and ‘Wrong!’ does not constitute a rebuttal.”

Sure it does, especially when one states something so ridiculous that has no basis in reality, and very especially when one doesn’t even bother to try & back up what they say with actual, verifiable facts! This tends to make it that much more easy for one to dismiss these wild ramblings as inaccurate.

Of course, throughout our exchange I have declared that I was utterly transparent. And, since you do not understand irony; since you are given to partisan parroting, you failed to discern that — when I referred to my “husband” — I did so ironically. You see, YOU’RE the one who believes “gay marriage” is rational, despite the fact that it isn’t. However, since “marriage” is malleable and elastic — according to you (et al) despite your ridiculous contradiction — then so are terms such as “wife,” “husband,” “mother,” “father,” and so on. Please, let’s bring on the chaos, the babble of Babel, if you will. (Notice that I even played with the words tea and coffee? No, you don’t.)

If such terms are indeed as you say — and you MUST say it — then I was merely following your example. My husband is my wife; I am a wife, I am a husband. I, even, am female. Hurray! I can be whatever I want to be.

And, even though I gave you ample clues to see what I was up to, you stepped right into another trap: I have AGAIN shown you that you are blind to irony! I even TOLD you to watch out for it, and yet — BAM! — you smashed right into it. I even hinted that I was taking my cues from your position. To illustrate my point that “gay marriage” is irrational, I played with terms, terms that are not constant or fixed in your world. And what did we discover? You hated it so much you had to resort to calling me a liar! What does “liar” even me in your world? And here I thought there were no fixed definitions and you were comfortable with chaos. Too funny! YOU WANT ORDER! And then, to top it all off, you NAMED ME PRECISELY! Fantastic! (No wonder you hide!)

As for me “projecting” regarding the use of ellipses, you can’t prove yourself more inept if you tried. Please show me where I have, in a single non-quoted sentence (generally ellipses are used to indicate omissions in running quotations), resorted to using such punctuation marks. But you can’t help but use them. You live and die by them, apparently. And while you think they indicate something forceful, they are always a sign of weakness and laziness. That’s not all, of course, but I will let you figure out the rest for yourself.

I have already pointed out that you are not a philosopher. You may kick at that fact, but there is no denying it. If you think what it means to be human is settled, you live in fantasy land. If you think the concept of “right” is fixed, you are utterly clueless. You apparently don’t even realize that these ideas are essentially ambiguous across differing language groups; you act as if these terms translate from one language to the next. I bet you actually think synonyms are identical! If you don’t, then you know — intuitively — that terms like human, right, and “human right” are not absolutes; they are not fixed. But, boy, how you WISH they were!

Please, I hope that someday that you will realize that your terse, presumptuous and arrogant rejoinders really do you no good. They stand in your way — or something else does — of being a real intellectual, a person who actually thinks clearly, thoroughly and independently. And please know that repeatedly saying “No!” and “Wrong!” does not constitute a rebuttal.

And please know that this has all been just plain fun for me. If I knew who you were, well, I would consider you a thoroughly decent chap, or chappess. I’ve nothing against you, whoever you may be, so take this all in the spirit it is meant. Think sport or games. Think of a backyard game of bocce. Or croquet. Yes, on this lovely day, let us think of croquet! I’m red!

Good luck.

Bill Gnade

You’re projecting again there Billy-boy.

“who possesses the power to confer that right.”

We have rights because we are human…our rights come from *nowhere* in particular, therefore they can’t be legally taken away by anyone or anything.

“You have gone to great lengths to show that marriage has never been a static concept”

…and I even *proven* that was true…lol…

“And now you attempt to show that ‘gay marriage’ is NOT irrational by insisting it is a human right.”

No, that’s not at all what I said…my goodness you just LOVE to twist & turn words, don’t you Billy-boy??

“Surely you realize that there is no fixed or static definition of either ‘human’ or ‘right’”

Really?? We don’t know who’s a human & who’s not?? LOL…

Human rights refer to the basic rights & freedoms to which all humans are entitled. Examples of such rights & freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil & political rights, such as the right to life & liberty, freedom of expression, and *equality before the law*; and economic, social & cultural rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education.

BTW, try reading this sometime Billy-boy:
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

“And certain ‘rights,’ either past or present, American or not, are not only irrational, they are deplorable.”

LOL…

“Otherwise you would disapprove of the NH ‘gay marriage’ law”

No, that would be YOU Billy-boy…most likely because you’re a homophobe, but who knows…

“Apparently ‘marriage’ has ALWAYS been a malleable concept — until now!”

Nope, wrong again, but what else is new, eh??

“a religious exemption is offered to those people who have the power to confer that right but choose not to for ‘religious’ reasons.”

Nonsense, once again, you are intentionally conflating religious marriage with civil marriage, and intentionally ignoring that we have freedom of religion within the USA.

“you believe NH has not proven itself morally and intellectually bankrupt!”

Well, I used to live there a while back, so I will refrain from saying anything nasty about the Granite State here…lol…

“What if there was a Catholic priest who refused to confer the Blessed Sacrament to a black man because it offended his religious sensibilities?”

“What if the priest refused to give the black man a job, or an apartment, because the idea offended his religious convictions?”

When was the last time that ANY of this actually happened?? I wasn’t aware that my Mom’s Catholic Church was blatantly racist all of a sudden…

“You are also obviously comfortable with the religious left imposing its religious beliefs on the secular state”

Keep saying that over & over again…maybe some day it will be true, but don’t hold yer breath there Billy-boy.

“My assertion that ‘gay marriage’ is a new invention on what is intrinsically a heterosexual institution still remains”

…completely & totally wrong, period.

“marriage of any kind was always heterosexual.”

No, it was not, as I have clearly shown here.

“You are OBSESSED and FIXED on who I am”

No, I’m really not…it’s just really, really obvious who you really are “Contratimes” or “Refusing A Frontal LObamatomy”. Thanks for proving my point over & over again BTW…lol…

“and it is clear that not knowing who I am — DEFINITIVELY and ABSOLUTELY — bothers you.”

Again, your powers of projection are truly *monumental* there Billy-boy.

“You want to NAME me in order to besmirch, intimidate and threaten.”

Keep dreaming wing-nut…

“You have chided me for concealing my identity all the while you so courageously protect your own.”

No, what I’ve merely pointed out is that your constant ramblings at trying to label myself as “Monsieur Guy Incognito”, “Mister Guy Who Hides”, etc., etc. flies in the face of your absurd cross-labeling of yourself in these threads here as “Refusing A Frontal LObamatomy”. We already *know* who you are Mr. Bill Gnade of NH, so why go through the silliness of trying to hide with another pseudonym?? It’s stupid…even for a moron like yourself.

“And now I must get my husband his coffee.”

Case in point, you liar…ugh…unbelievable…

Perhaps you have already spotted it, but my last comment on the health care thread has also not posted.

Thanks for posting my last comment here.

Blessings to you, and Happy 4th!

BG

Please, see my comment above.